I think expectations need to be addressed here too. You're not doing steroids when you take Osterine. So don't expect the gains you'd get from taking steroids. With SARM's, if you put on 3 to 4 pounds of muscle over the course of a 12 week period... you've had success. For those that expect a huge increase in strength, followed by mass gains in size, you're going to be sadly disappointed. If you were in pain, you could take aspirin or you could take Oxycontin. You would have a different level of expectation for both. What I'm saying is don't expect the power of Oxycontin when you've only taken two aspirin.